by Jerome du Bois
And vulture and vanity and vapidity, too, all wrapped around the same axis. We received a comment two days ago on our second piece about the Echelman jellyfish from a marketer for RSP Architects in Tempe named Andrea Norman, who also volunteers, she insists we know, as a member of the public art committee of the Phoenix Arts and Culture Commission. She wrote:
I am NOT paid. I have volunteered over 1000 hours to the City of Phoenix for over five years. I welcome others to volunteer, also. It's always good to have divergent opinions. I'm sorry that you don't agree but please know that I volunteer because I care about Phoenix, not because I stand ANYTHING to gain. If anything, myself and other commissioners, take a loss (i.e. vacation time, comp time, time from families, etc.) to volunteer.
Andrea Norman
When I give an impassioned speech, and the first reply is that my shoe's untied, my answer is to step up to the interloper and demand what they're trying to hide. Let's find out.
First off, the rudeness. No salutation, no "I read your piece and I must say . . ." Just --boom--
I am NOT paid.
This is a marketer, a person who is supposed to be sensitive to the feelings of strangers, to cold-calling. To scoping out a situation. But not here because, well, who are we, anyway? She can just reach out a claw and clamp on our elbow and try to spin us around --hey you--as I say, rude.
I have volunteered over 1000 hours to the City of Phoenix for over five years.
That works out to less than three months out of sixty. Big damned sacrifice: I've spent that much time on a single work of art. What did she do? Go through proposals from a couple of hundred sycophantic "artists" whose only talent is working the system? Have coffee or yogatinis with Dwight and Joe and Susan from time to time, sifting through the proposals, watching the discard pile grow . . . ? Real hard work.
You may not be paid, Ms. Norman, but you cost me money every time you turn on the light in the office or meeting room of the Phoenix Office of Arts and Culture. I've paid for part of every paper clip and wastebasket liner and watt of energy in that office. If for some reason the POAC lost its funding for public art, you'd have to find something else to get puffed up about.
We're done with the wonder of you, now, okay, Ms. Norman? We're very clear that you VOLUNTEER. What's strange to me, though, is how you ignore everything else we wrote about the Echelman sculpture brouhaha, in two postings, or brush the whole thing off with the phrase "divergent opinions." Why is that? I wonder, and it doesn't take long to conclude that you don't really have to be accountable to the public; after all, when the Echelman thing was dumped by the city, all you and Susan Copeland and your crew had to do was get angry and vocal, and the city folded.
So you may not get paid, but you sure are costly.
Posted by Jerome at January 7, 2008 05:35 PM | TrackBackOh, for Pete's sake. You wrote:
"I do believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that these are paid commissioners."
You were wrong and, as invited, she corrected you. That was a favor, not rudeness.
Perhaps you could refrain from pouring your vat of nastiness over so very many people. Is it important to savage total strangers? Why make things up about other people in the process of saying what you want to say? How is that helpful?
Posted by: Julie Peterson at January 7, 2008 06:34 PMMs. Peterson:
You have a lot of damned gall to come around here and accuse us of rudeness. The people you work with and for --Stephen Lemons, Amy Silverman, Lilia Menconi-- need to hear certain words that have just come to me out of the blue:
Perhaps you could refrain from pouring your vat of nastiness over so very many people. Is it important to savage total strangers? Why make things up about other people in the process of saying what you want to say? How is that helpful?
That above is pretty much a description of New Times general editorial policy. Where were you when Stephen Lemons savaged Catherine and encouraged others to do likewise? Keeping your mouth shut. You're a goddamned coward and a hypocrite. You're not on a high horse, you're in a whorehouse.
As to Ms. Norman, do yourself a favor and run this scenario through your head:
Ms. Norman becomes aware of the two Echelman postings, and logs on. Lo and behold, she finds your correction of my mistake. And this is what she doesn't say:
"I'd like to confirm what Ms. Peterson has written above. Now, as to your points about the birds, the vandalism, the process, and so on, here is what I have to say. . . "
But nothing like that happened. Instead, she just barged in and spent her whole message on herself and the wonderfulness of volunteering. Her her her. Nothing about the birds or the vandalism or the thing itself; just presumptuous peremptory narcissistic rudeness. So I wrote what I wrote.
You don't come around here with any kind of attitude, Ms. Peterson, when you've got no backbone of your own.
Posted by: Jerome du Bois at January 8, 2008 09:31 AMI have the luxury (if anyone would call it that) of communicating with New Times staff privately and in person. (Not necessarily because I write for the Night & Day calendar, but because I do other work there.)
I can't expect you to know anything I've said or done or what I believe if no one has told you. (I'm not on a high horse, though -- you're absolutely right -- and I do have a lot of damned gall. Thanks!)
There are billions of maligned women in the world and only 24 hours in a day. I believe strongly in a lot of things that I don't make public atttibuted noise about, not just Catherine's privacy and dignity. Which are doing fine without me, and I'm glad they are.
Posted by: Julie Peterson at January 8, 2008 11:11 AMYes, it's attributed, with an r. Yes, I'm a proofreader.
Posted by: Julie Peterson at January 8, 2008 11:12 AMYou also have the freeloading luxury, and plenty of those 24 hours in a day, to come around here and hassle us for no good reason. You're about half an electron from getting your IP banned as well, because we're sick of your vamping on and on, using up our bandwidth. We suggest you get your own blog.
But thanks for confirming that you're a sycophantic coward. I don't believe for one second that you have read Stephen Lemons the riot act for one goddamned word he has written. And it wouldn't matter anyway because while we've been taking hits for almost five years from some of the meanest people in town, because we speak out in public, you're just sailing along, singing a song, and then droning on about your so-called private conversations with people we would cross sewers to avoid. Why should we believe a word you say? We're on the record, naming names all along, and we've suffered like nobody would believe for going on the record.
You're a coward, I say for the third time. And it is a lie to say that you believe strongly in Catherine's dignity and privacy; if you did, you would have stepped forward publicly long ago to say so.
But you didn't and you haven't and, I predict, you won't. You're too happy to take the money to make sure that when some shitbird down there writes, "Kick the nun in the box," it's spelled correctly.
Posted by: Jerome du Bois at January 8, 2008 01:11 PMI realize I can't convince you that I'm sincere, or that my relative politeness to you means anything at all about me, or that my comments here are not "for no good reason." They're about the things you write in your blog, though, and when you write about someone -- as you did about Andrea Norman -- and then take her to task for responding, I am flabbergasted, given what you claim to be about, and it's hard to keep that to myself. It's hardly enough on which to base my own blog.
Posted by: Julie Peterson at January 8, 2008 01:30 PMAnd now it's time for Julie Peterson to find another weblog to bother, since we've just banned her IP. She can express things that are hard to keep to herself elsewhere, and what she leaves here for the record is her cowardice and her sycophancy.
Ms. Peterson, if you find your way to these words, we regret to inform you that you have become intolerably wearisome, repetitive, insulting, and boring. We're done suffering through your pedantry.
Posted by: Jerome du Bois at January 8, 2008 01:59 PM